Given the anti-union ideology in America in general and the particularly virulent union busting, bad faith negotiation going on at NCCC between our local and a clearly anti-education, anti-faculty contempt on the part of an overpaid administration, I have a hard time being unsympathetic with NYSUT. I am also a member of NYSUT.
Moreover given the viciously anti-intellectual culture that I experience on a daily basis in the classroom and have as an intellectual experienced first hand throughout my life, it’s hard not to circle the wagons when teachers and education are pointed to as being the source of a failing business community in New York State.
Given the community’s expectations of teachers to overcome the failings of the family and the culture at large which respectively do little more than provide extensive infantilizing video entertainment at home and cretinizing amusement in movies, music, athletics and aesthetics, I would maintain that teachers earn every penny they get and more. Accountability in education cannot make up for that preparation for learning that comes in intelligent socialization for which the community is accountable but has failed essentially to provide. Moreover if parents would raise their children to be something more than merely tolerant of authority and educational institutions, then half of a teachers energy wouldn’t have to be put into maintaining a level of civility in which learning becomes possible. A teacher unfortunately has to do more than teach. He/she shouldn’t have to.
Even though it may be the case in recent history that increases in educational spending have not resulted in increased test scores and graduation rates, it certainly doesn’t follow that reducing teachers salaries, increasing class size and demanding more bureaucratized accountability is going to increase the quality of education. The problem with so much criticism of education is that the issues are always confused. The question regarding quality of teaching is logically independent from level of salary. The question of tenure is likewise independent of salary. Tenure is ultimately a question of protecting freedom of speech not protecting bad teachers. No one in the teaching profession wants to protect bad teaching. However the degree of incompetency in education is no higher than in medicine, business, the priesthood or government. When a heart surgeon fails noone argues to lower his pay. When businesses fail the government bails them out. When hundreds of priests abuse children they get sent to rest camps to chill out until things cool in the community. When governments commit blunder after blunder, they still get salary raises.
Here are my recommendations. If we are going to make cuts in education then let’s cut first the extreme excess of overpaid useless and officious administrators. Then let’s eliminate counselors. Educational institutions shouldn’t be responsible for mental health. Thirdly, let’s eliminate all the sports programs and coaches which are absolutely unnecessary. When I was a kid I would come home, eat dinner and go outside for three to four hours of running, sports competition, hunting, fishing, etc. I didn’t need an idiotic coach telling me how to climb a fucking rope in a gym. Why do kids need exorbitant sports programs which unfortunately are seen by many parents as the early training ground for professional athletes. As stupid as this is, it is the case. Elaborate football stadiums, equipments uniforms, coaches, assistant coaches, etc., etc., etc. Fourthly eliminate the required arts programs. As with athletics there could be voluntary programs, community sports, community bands, etc. Why does all this stuff have to occur in the schools. Let the parents pay for shoulder pads, helmets, arrogant obnoxious coaches and the rest of the crap. Schools are about learning to think, communicate, calculate and reflect. It is about creating a tradition of literacy, knowledge and critical self-examination. It’s not about providing enticing programs to “keep kids in school.”
If the kids don’t want to come to school for the right reasons, then as George Carlin used to say: “Fuck ‘em!” Let em go get jobs and see how they like that. Or join the army. There’s always more need for cannon fodder in America.
Please stop painting criticism of education and teaching with such a broad brush and thick paint that we can’t see what we’ve painted. And let’s please stop scapegoating education for the failures of a gluttonous consumerism, a cultural laziness that has created the well-known ugly American, you know, the one in your neighborhood who has the sign out front: I’m proud to be a redneck. Oh wait, that’s in my neighborhood.
But speaking of an overpaid excess of administrators there have been an abundance of articles recently about the bevy of bureaucrats populating our several hundred Authorities, the halls of the legislatures and I haven’t forgotten education. And if local communities didn’t have to spend a fortune in Washington to support our 776 military bases around the world and our unnecessary meaningless war in Iraq, possibly some of that tax money could stay in the communities where it’s needed. And if the 2/3 of all corporations in America who pay no taxes at all would start chipping in, possibly we would have some extra cash where it’s needed.
So the point is I’m quite sure education is not the culprit here. There is incompetency and waste and ignorance well enough to go around. Education and teaching remains your best investment. Education is the real thin blue line between civilization and barbarism.
Who, specifically, are you referring to, Larry? Who is "painting criticism of education and teaching with such a broad brush and thick paint that we can’t see what we’ve painted..."?
ReplyDeleteI agree with some of what you've expressed. Teaching is an honorable, necessary profession -- more necessary today, perhaps, than any time in our history. But it is clear that the system needs a major overhaul.
Education certainly is not THE culprit, as you state, but it is not beyond reproach. Look at the first sentence of the lead editorial in today's Buffalo News. NYS ranks first in per-pupil costs nationally, but ranks only 48th in graduation rates. Do you think, just maybe, that throwing more money at education without substantative changes elsewhere is akin to throwing money down a well?
Two minor points...
1. I realize you may be being a tad dramatic in your call to eliminate anything that is not readin', writin' and 'rithmetic. But, are you saying that music teachers aren't teachers? Would you make the same argument that foreign languages are extra-curricular?
2. I don't want to open a debate on the Iraqi war, but you've mentioned several times in several posts that we shouldn't be supporting 776 military bases around the world. OK, so I ask you...how many should we support? What's the right number? Who makes that determination? I don't necessarily disagree that some (much?) of our military spending is wasteful, but blanket statements like that end up being empty rhetoric when there is nothing concrete behind them. Just a thought...
Everything is always about the war with you - I'm not sure what you would talk about if the nation was in a time a peace.
ReplyDeleteWhy don’t you travel to country in the Middle East with an American flag on you back and see how long it takes before for someone to cuts your throat.
What you don’t seem to understand is that “these people” will stop at nothing to destroy you and our “way of life” they hate you and I for who we are. If NCCC was located in the Middle East, how many women would be in attendance and how much of the curriculum would be radically different.
As far as sports, music, etc - you are off the mark again. We the people are the consumers of education – how dire you dictate what should be made available to us. I can’t even count the number of classes that I took in college and high school that have NOT benefited me one bit later in life.
Get a life.
Everything is always about the war with you - I'm not sure what you would talk about if the nation was in a time a peace.
ReplyDeleteWhy don’t you travel to country in the Middle East with an American flag on you back and see how long it takes before for someone to cuts your throat.
What you don’t seem to understand is that “these people” will stop at nothing to destroy you and our “way of life” they hate you and I for who we are. If NCCC was located in the Middle East, how many women would be in attendance and how much of the curriculum would be radically different.
As far as sports, music, etc - you are off the mark again. We the people are the consumers of education – how dire you dictate what should be made available to us. I can’t even count the number of classes that I took in college and high school that have NOT benefited me one bit later in life.
Get a life.
Pirate:
ReplyDeleteI’m first referring to Bob Confer’s article, "Teachers United Against Reality" that ran in the Tonawanda News but also to innumerable radio, TV and books that are constantly attacking education. It certainly seems to me that there is a shotgun approach to solving the problem. And I’m in agreement with you that the “system” does need a major overhaul. But the attack is usually these cliché arguments about tenure, incompetent teachers, exorbitant salaries, etc.
My article was an attempt to nuance the issue somewhat. Maybe I've failed but it's not a knee-jerk defense of the status quo by any means. Your shot-in-the-dark statistic does not even begin to explain what’s going on in education. What does that statistic mean? Could it mean that the poor and ethnic communities who have a very high drop out rate weight or skew the numbers making them look more dramatic than they are? But answer my question: what do you make of this one statistic you throw at me? What does it imply as far as the source of the problem? Often this is what happens: one out of context, dramatic statistic is waved around and then that always leads to some non sequitor conclusion.
Now surely you don’t think I’m saying that music teachers are not teachers. My god almighty! And no I wouldn’t say that language teachers are extra-curricular obviously.
But in response to you and the Anon who posted after you, if we want all these things then let’s get ready to pay. Nowhere is it written that these courses and extra’s such as music and gym class and football, etc. should be done by the schools. My point is that this is a cultural failing. All these cultural practices don’t need to be carried out in the schools. Don’t try to blame this failing on the schools and don’t expect this institution to fix the problem. It never will.
But my curriculum is the 4 R’s alright but not the same as yours probably. Yes 4 not 3, readin’, 'ritin’, ‘rithmetic and, you guessed it, reflection. That is, we’ve got to teach kids to think, critically, comprehensively, creatively. And we simply don’t. So let’s get back to fundamentals, just like the 400 hitter that can no longer hit the ball to save his life. He goes back to fundamentals.
Actually, if you read my article closely, when it comes right down to it, I’m harder on the educational establishment than you guys are. I just refuse to carry out the purging in the economistic pseudo-language of businessmen and bureaucrats.
As far as the 776 military bases (cf. Chalmers Johnson’s “Blowback: The Costs and Consequences of American Empire”) goes, why don’t we start with asking why we have 17military bases on one island of Japan alone, (if I remember what I read a while back.)
But I don’t think its careless to say we should easily cut those in half without losing anything that benefits the average American on a daily basis. Let’s start with the principle: This number, 776, is either about militarism out of control or it’s about a conscious policy/ideology of Empire. Either way we have a serious problem. What has the Iraq war given us?????? A false sense of peace of mind for those suckers who Bush managed to scare the hell out of. If these terrorists are such a threat why is the Mexican border virtually totally unprotected. This is insane no matter how you look at it. It’s a fucking myth. The reality of our overreaction to the “terrorist threat” is tantamount to the fiction of Orwell’s 1984. Fiction becomes truth. Or, fiction made "reality" through Neo-Con ideology is a great way to control people and keep them from seeing what is really at issue and in their interest.
Sorry, but this is far from empty rhetoric. And I’m not the first to say these things. You don’t have to believe or listen to me. Read Chalmers Johnson for god’s sake. He’s a former CIA analyst who saw the light.
you need to get out more Larry - I think you are generating too much stress in you life.
ReplyDeleteAnon.,
ReplyDeleteIn fact I said very little about the war in this last post. It’s almost totally about education. But I will continue to drive home the point that most of the military is a huge waste of tax payers money and the pursuit of international hegemony is hideous.
… When I do travel to the Middle East it won’t be with an American flag on my back. If we would get out of the Middle East we could travel there safely.
…Who exactly are “these people” that you are so terrified of? And by the way there is much of our way of life that needs to be destroyed. No, not by terrorists. By Americans who can see much of it is self-destructive, boring, mindless and laughable.
…And as for “we the people” as the “consumers of education, I am very much in agreement with you, my xenophobic friend. And I don’t dare to dictate anything. People are often asking me to make practical suggestions; so, I’ve made some. You don’t have to like them or accept them. I’m just offering my opinion. I do agree that the people should democratically decide how they want to educate their children. But I think that if “the people” want to have high school sports, arts, counselors and fat-cat administrators, then get your checkbook out and keep it out. I’m suggesting a way to cut a big chunk of fat out of the school budgets but you seem to want to defend largely unnecessary and educationally unproductive activities.
… But I am also in agreement as to many classes that are a waste of time. I’ve taken them too. But I’d have students studying philosophy from first grade. I suspect you wouldn’t and would probably consider it a waste of time. Or am I wrong?
… As to your suggestion that I “get a life,” it sounds like you want me to just be “normal” like yourself and some of the other mindless rednecks around here, not to say you are a redneck my Anonymous friend. You just seem very intolerant of my essay even though it seems you really haven’t read it very closely. You want me to “normalize” my critique such that you can sink further into uncritical American consumer blissfulness and presume you represent the best interests of the people. You may represent what is desired but not what’s really desireable or in America’s best intere
Larry,
ReplyDeleteI'm glad this blog is still open to debate - the Niagara Times blog has all but silenced any descending option.
As far as me being a “xenophobia person” I assure you that I’m not. Their is too much evidence that points to the hatred that “these people” have for us – that justifies my fear. For example, just take a look at the number of innocent contactors have been slaughter in the last 24 months.
Larry, Mark Twain is reported to have said, "There's statistics, and then there's just damn lies."
ReplyDeleteI bring up the statistics not as a be-all, end-all reference for cuts in education spending. In fact, I don't believe I've advocated anywhere for cuts...and least not without a comprehensive overhaul of the system first. If such an overhaul proved that we could improve the quality of education for less money, well, we'd be silly not to go for it, eh? But, I don't know whether or not that can be done.
I did read Confer's piece. With the caveat that I rarely agree with anything he writes, I saw his piece not as a condemnation of education or educators, but instead the rather predictable aspects of unionism as currently practiced by NYSUT.
Can we agree that the state, for whatever reason, finds itself in a rather precarious fiscal position? If so, NYSUT has an opportunity to lead by acknowledging that funds for education are not endless, that there may be opportunities to do better with the same dollar, and that they are willing to be an active, positive participant in the process.
However, they've largely taken the approach that education funding is untouchable, even the effort to control education spending INCREASES should be off the table, and -- if you don't agree -- well, fuck you, we will spend millions of our members dollar to make sure you see it our way or else.
Because, really, that's what the proposed tax cap is, an effort to limit the amount of INCREASE in local school budgets. NYSUT, as a body, does not want reform of any sort. The current system works fine for them, because it is putting more money in their pocket at a time when the people paying for it are reaching the breaking point.
I have no clue how to go about a complete overhaul of education and the funding necessary for it in NYS, or nationally. On the funding side, I might start with a look at property tax as having long out-lived its usefulness. There was a time in our history where the ownership of property and the value of that property was a pretty good indicator of the owner's ability to pay taxes. Our economy and economics have changed and for many that is no longer as clear. Perhaps an income tax, instead?
Anyway, clearly the need for reform is there. NYSUT is not the only entity standing in the way, to be sure, but it is certainly the most vocal.
Anon.,
ReplyDeleteThanks for the vote of confidence regarding openness, debate and dissent at Niagara Journal. I’m doing my best; hopefully I’ll get better. … Sorry for calling you “xenophobic.” I really don’t know if you are and I didn't have any right to say that. It’s just that saying “these people” sounds so typically chauvinistic or even racist. … However, the reason I recommend the books by Chalmers Johnson, especially “Blowback,” is that he may be able to demonstrate to you that they don’t hate us. And if they do hate us it doesn’t come without reason. “Blowback” of course means that we’ve done something to provoke their wrath. But you’ve got to check out the big picture of our involvement in the Middle East, the history from its inception. If you do, I bet, your opinion would change. …. And as far as your example of “innocent contractors” goes, I would agree with the “contractor” part to a degree but “innocent,” sorry. None of us are innocent when it comes to the Iraqi war.
Pirate,
ReplyDeleteI’m in agreement about the overhaul. I”ve been arguing for that for years. And yes, logically it’s not impossible that a reduction in spending might in some way improve education, given a qualitative overhaul. But I don’t know whether that can be done either. But possibly the real question politically is how that would even be approached given the ethos of suspicion, manipulation, deception and mistrust.
Granted, NYSUT falls back on a pretty heavyhanded pressure tactic. But once again in this political culture, when budgets are devised either with blank checks or with a meat cleaver, and placing power and advantage on the table is considered a weakness, I suspect we will maintain the position that the best defense is a good offense.
I have to disagree with you regarding the Confer piece. Some of it was embarrassingly cliché, bitterly resentful and so slanted it would have made Protagoras, king of the Sophists, blush in his grave. Quoth Confer (who by the way I know and consider my friend): “So now as the state and its residents weather the current financial crisis at the same time the teachers enjoy the last few days of their lengthy NYSUT-maintained summer vacations, I’m left wondering: How can any teacher who’s true to his or her higher calling maintain allegiance to an organization as vile as NYSUT, one that would just as soon steal food from the mouths of the very children that teacher is supposed to protect?” … Are you fucking kidding me. I can’t begin to critique the illogic and manipulative bullshit in one short paragraph. VILE? Well, let’s just call a spade a spade here and change a letter around and we have “EVIL.” Yes, this Roveian propaganda and emotional manipulation Mr. Rove would be proud of. “…steal food from the mouths of the very children…” Once again, excuse me for a minute while I go throw up. This is pure violent polemic that darkens the corridors of communication at best.
Yes, you are right, the State is in a hole. But in the first place don’t place the blame for that at the teachers door. And the people who “are reaching the breaking point” are breaking for reasons which again do not originate with selfish, heartless teachers.
I do appreciate you trying to find a way to begin to approach the problem. I’m sympathetic in principle but I don’t see an opening. You are more than reasonable and diplomatic. But I’m surprised you didn’t comment on my suggestions for cuts. One of the other Anonymous posters here was pretty put off by my suggestions, especially cutting sports and the arts. What do you think? How about those nasty, useless administrators? Back to the 4 R’s!!! Leave culture to the community!
But if “the State had the chance, I’m sure NYSUT would go the way of the Air Traffic Controllers Union. To me it looks like a hardball stalemate.
I acknowledge that you haven’t “advocated anywhere for cuts.” And I appreciate that. I have personally no apologies for my salary. I challenged my neighbor, who does think I make too much money, to face beginning college students trying to learn to think in a philosophy class, for just a few hours and I suspect she will see I earn every penny. No I don’t lift heavy objects but there is stress and difficulties in work that is far more severe than lifting heavy objects. I earn every penny of the salary that was mis-reported in the GNN news piece. It was mis-reported because they included overload salary for courses that I don’t have to teach but volunteer to teach and failed to report my base salary. But the President of N-Trip wants to make us look as selfish as possible given the present “take no prisoners” negotiating tactics in the current contract non-negotiations. His motto seems to be build more buildings and fuck up the collegiality, the teachers unions and college morale. Build more buildings and pay for it by replacing full time faculty, i.e., committed professionals, with part-timers. Hell, if there aren’t enough part timers there are a lot of illegal aliens who need work. The bullshit going on at N-trip is why we in particular like and need NYSUT.
Larry --
ReplyDeleteOK, you got me. A re-read of Confer's piece did reveal a certain level of hyperbole, but having read many of his columns I believe he does so for effect...or because he believes that is what a columnist should do.
I have to stay away from specific cases of debate...like your issues with NCCC's administration...simply because I don't know enough about it to comment fairly.
To your suggestion for cuts and my lack of comment. I'll comment now. I believe "education" is more than the four R's (see, I'm learning). I believe there is a place in the broad educational spectrum for music and arts, particularly. Done properly, I believe music and art gives a student the ability to see the world as more than black and white, to understand nuance, to appreciate all that makes each of us different. I was a god-awful music student, but love music of all types. I struggled with languages of all sorts, and music is a language. I still regret walking away from it but, even in my dotage, I consider trying to find the time to learn a few chords on my son's guitar.
Sports is another matter. Physical education, given today's slovenly ways, is probably a must. However, I have no issue with demanding specific family contribution to extra-curricular sports like football, basketball and so on. There is something to be said for school spirit and the opportunity for communities to use school activities as a common meeting ground, but it is clearly extra-curricular and should require some extra financial support from those who participate. Not sure how to make that workable in districts made up of families that can't afford to pay day-to-day bills, so we would face issues of equity from district to district. Should kids in Buffalo not have the same sports opportunities as kids in, say, Lewiston? So, forgive me if I don't have a workable solution just yet, but I agree that the "extra" in extra-curricular should be supported by those who most directly benefit.
I've long believed that teachers deserve more respect than they get in today's society. My dad, in his late 80s, says it was not always this way. I also believe teachers deserve a wage commensurate with the important work they do. That said, I also believe taxpayers deserve accountability. I will gladly pay premium wages, but I will demand premium results. Right now, neither part of the equation is where it should be.
The administration question is a difficult one, and leads me back to a form of question I've posed to you before. How many administrators is too many? How much pay is too much? I don't know. This is where my practical side takes over, the side that says decisions need to be based on study and facts, not just emotion.
So, my overhaul of the educational system would, by necessity, include a review of the optimum administrative structure. You've read my comments before on this, I think...maybe it could start with a look at the sheer number of school districts we have in our little county. If we were to somehow merge districts in a fair and appropriate manner, might not that lead to a reduction in administrative costs? If no one asks the question, we'll never know the answer.
Gotta go...have to earn a living so I can pay my taxes.
Congrad's on your blog now having more visitors and comments than hobbes daily dribbles. Keep up the great work!!!
ReplyDeleteJoe,
ReplyDeleteThanks for the acknowledgement. Hobbes does some good stuff but as you well know it seems he exploits the smut, corruption and character flaws the latter of course which we all have. He could be so much better if he would be willing to go beyond party politics, government shenanigans and the propaganda of politicians. He seems to be critical of moral decay and the like but really he’s exploiting it for political gain for his party. And to me that’s more disgusting than the corruption itself. I still don’t have a clue who the guy is and given he’s undoubtedly a hitman for the Repubs, we’ll probably never find out. But some insiders keep telling me everyone in Lockport knows who he/she is. I wish they’d let me in on the secret. Take care.